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Shovel Ready

March 30, 2012

From Eric Ginsburg at YES! Weekly, quoting Greensboro assistant city manager, Andy Scott:

“We have received three proposals for assistance in developing shovel ready industrial sites,” he wrote. “Council will call a public hearing at its meeting on April 3, 2012. The sites will be considered and an award made at the April 16, 2012, Council meeting.”

Roy Carroll‘s Birch Creek Business Park requires $5.36M, of which $3.495M is for Grading & Storm Water. Would one of the clueless local Austerians please explain how that money is instead going to end up in Carroll’s pocket, as they have alleged on numerous occasions?

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  1. Aenbrnood permalink
    March 30, 2012 9:06 pm

    Notable Campaign Contributions:

    JIM KEE 10/27/09 Alvin C. Leonard Jr. Carroll Companies
    JIM KEE 10/27/09 Roy E. Carroll Carroll Companies
    JIM KEE 10/27/09 Vanessa Y. Carroll Carroll Companies
    LINDA SHAW 03/23/10 Roy Carroll II Carroll Companies
    ROBBIE PERKINS 10/13/09 Roy E. Carroll II Carroll Companies
    ROBBIE PERKINS 10/19/09 Vanessa Y. Carroll Carroll Companies
    TRUDY WADE 10/23/09 Alvin C. Leonard Jr. Carroll Companies
    TRUDY WADE 10/23/09 Roy E. Carroll II Carroll Companies
    TRUDY WADE 10/23/09 Vanessa Y. Carroll Carroll Companies
    ZACK MATHENY 10/23/09 Alvin Leonard Carroll Companies
    ZACK MATHENY 11/07/07 Alvin Leonard Carroll Companies

    ZACK MATHENY 10/23/09 Roy Carroll II Carroll Companies
    ZACK MATHENY 10/23/09 Vanessa Carroll Carroll Companies
    ROBBIE PERKINS 10/22/07 Alvin C. Leonard Carroll Cos.
    DIANE BELLAMY-SMALL 10/16/2007 Roy E and Vanessa Y Carroll North Carolinians for Leadership in Government
    Kirk Perkins 5/2/2008 Roy E and Vanessa Y Carroll North Carolinians for Leadership in Government
    Paul Gibson 5/2/2008 Roy E and Vanessa Y Carroll North Carolinians for Leadership in Government
    ROBBIE PERKINS 10/16/2007 Roy E and Vanessa Y Carroll North Carolinians for Leadership in Government
    ROBBIE PERKINS 10/16/07 North Carolinians for Leadership in Government
    SANDRA ANDERSON GROAT 10/16/2007 Roy E and Vanessa Y Carroll North Carolinians for Leadership in Government
    TRUDY WADE 10/16/2007 Roy E and Vanessa Y Carroll North Carolinians for Leadership in Government
    YVONNE JOHNSON 10/16/2007 Roy E and Vanessa Y Carroll North Carolinians for Leadership in Government
    ZACK MATHENY 10/16/2007 Roy E and Vanessa Y Carroll North Carolinians for Leadership in Government
    TRUDY WADE 10/16/07 North Carolinians for Leadership in Government Roy Carroll Cos.

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    ZACK MATHENY 08/03/07 Henry Isaacson Isaacson law firm
    ZACK MATHENY 08/03/07 Marc L. Isaacson Isaacson law firm
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    ROBBIE PERKINS 09/28/09 Arthur Samet Samet Construction
    ROBBIE PERKINS 10/04/09 Marshall Alan Tuck Samet Construction
    NANCY VAUGHAN 09/18/09 Arthur Samet Samet Corp.
    NANCY VAUGHAN 06/02/09 Leslye Tuck Samet Corp.
    NANCY VAUGHAN 06/02/09 Marshall Tuck Samet Corp.
    NANCY VAUGHAN 05/27/09 Norman Samet Samet Corp.
    NANCY VAUGHAN 05/27/09 Sylvia Samet Samet Corp.
    ROBBIE PERKINS 10/01/07 Norman G. Samet Samet Corp.
    ROBBIE PERKINS 10/28/09 Norman Samet Samet Corp.
    ZACK MATHENY 08/06/09 Arthur Samet Samet Corp.
    ZACK MATHENY 04/30/07 Arthur Samet Samet Corp.
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    A few 2011 Contributors:

    Robbie Perkins

    Roy Carroll: $2,000

    Arthur Samet: $250

    Sylvia Samet: $1,000

    DH Griffin Sr.: $2,500
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    Nancy Hoffman

    Henry Issacson: $100

    Norman Samet: $250
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    Nancy Vaughan

    Ross Harris: $100

    DH Griffin: $2,500
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    Jim Kee

    Henry Isaacson: $100

    Robbie Perkins: $600

    Zack Matheny: $250

    Nancy Vaughan: $700
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    Zack Matheny:

    Richard Beard: $100

    Henry Isaacson: $100

  2. Aenbrnood permalink
    March 30, 2012 9:07 pm

    On June 11, 2007,
    Zack Matheny voted for a rezoning for Carroll Capital Investments, LLC,
    represented by Robbie Perkins, for Roy Carroll.

    Zack received $1,000 from Mr. Carroll’s PAC on 10/30/07.

    Mr. Carroll also gave $1,000 checks to Robbie, etc…,
    as he garnered about $2 million in tax breaks for Center Point.

  3. Aenbrnood permalink
    March 30, 2012 9:08 pm

    Why would a letter from Center Pointe Condominium Owners Association to Greene Street Club say:
    “At night, the excessive noise makes it impossible for our residents to enjoy thier homes
    in reasonable quiet and comfort.

    Additionally, the ongoing disturbances by the Club
    will adversely impact sales of units at Center Pointe,
    especially if calls to the police regarding the noise violations persist.”

    From a letter sent by Center Pointe’s Condominium Owners Association
    to the Greene Street Club

  4. March 30, 2012 9:26 pm

    It’s no wonder you got kicked off GSO101. You seem congenitally incapable of forming a supposition, much less an allegation.

    Most of us learned in elementary school how to form an essay:

    - Give your hook

    - Then your thesis statement

    - Provide examples

    - Call for action

    - Make recommendations

    - Offer conclusions

    If this is a problem, ask one of your children for help.

    You have been advised of this by any number of people. Until you change the way you present your half-baked notions, the only responses you can expect from reasonable people are ridicule and ignoration. You have also been warned of this on numerous occasions. One is left with the inevitable conclusion that your continued intransigence is the result of narcissism. Therefore, I am forced to abandon any hope I had for your public efforts. You are hereby consigned to the margins of serious discourse and must remain a subject for mockery. I have no regrets, as this is the course you have chosen despite many warnings.

  5. Keith Osborn permalink
    March 31, 2012 10:02 am

    I may be clueless but it seems common sensed to me.

    If the taxpayers pay $3.495M for grading & storm water on the land and the land is sold, is that not $3.495M extra in his pocket because he didn’t have to pay it out?

    Kinda like your wife selling a dress in her shop she didn’t pay for. Pure profit.

    If I’m wrong, please explain.

    • March 31, 2012 10:24 am

      My Wife doesn’t own the land upon which a new shop would be built. And I might be wrong, but I’m still waiting for someone to explain it. Sure, when Carroll builds a shopping center, he pays for grading & storm water, but he also retains ownership. It seems to me we are in a partnership with the developer on this speculative deal. Carroll has purchased the land, maintained it and paid taxes. We are going to improve it to shovel ready status in the hope that a business will purchase it. Carroll will get some price and we’ll get future tax revenues with the prospect of employment and all the community benefits a new business brings. It would be great if Carroll agreed to pay the shovel ready expenses and if council says no, I will have no problem. However, as time is of the essence and Carroll’s wealth is presumably finite, especially given the lack of success from some of his other ventures, I think it prudent to pay to make the property shovel ready ASAP.

      When the deal goes down, Carroll’s ability to accept $5.36M less to maintain a profit could be the difference which makes it happen, with additional tax incentives, of course.

  6. mergatroyd permalink
    March 31, 2012 2:05 pm

    “— Carroll’s wealth is presumably finite,” Agreed. It appears that most believe that the resources of government are unlimited, even if they do not specifically say so. In reality, government has only what they take from others by force.

  7. RBM permalink
    March 31, 2012 2:24 pm

    You seem to define ‘force’ rather ambiguously.

  8. mergatroyd permalink
    March 31, 2012 2:40 pm

    When the government demand for payment arrives in the mail, don’t send them the money. And refuse all subsequent attempts to collect, of whatever nature. Eventually you will see the unambiguous force.

    • March 31, 2012 8:58 pm

      Well said. I thought the goal was to generate jobs. However, if your goal is to summon the constabulary, by all means.

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