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Greene Street Club

March 31, 2012
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From John Hammer at The Rhino Times:

We have more experience with Greene Street Club being a bad neighbor than most because they share our parking lot. They don’t own it or pay rent on it; we do. But they treat our parking lot, driveway and alley like it is theirs. They block our alley and our driveway, although rarely both at the same time. They use our parking lot as if it belonged to them and never pick up the trash that is left behind by their employees and customers.

I’ve been cussed out more than once for the crime of asking someone to move their band van, not off our property but just over far enough to get by. Our office manager was physically threatened by the security guards for Greene Street Club for trying to preserve some of our parking spaces for the people who had a legal right to park in them.

From commenter Axelskater at Ed Cone’s:

Yes weekly published an article several years back when the rooftop club portion was being constructed – even stating the rooftop was kept under wraps & wanted to sell food at cocktail hour with girls wearing coconut bras. That was in your paper. I bring this up because that article dates to about the same time the Wachovia building was purchased & the renovation was announced. Same for 220 West Market according to the tax records. So according to your paper and the article about the rooftop , the rooftop portion of that club & the condo renovation were concurrent. So perhaps the whole “so and so was hear first” argument should not be used. Several buyers purchased early during the renovation.

By the way as rebuffing for mediation – I met with several officers, then chief Bellamy, city attorney officials to discuss how we could get the bar to turn the music down a little at night. Several residents were disturbed by it. This was fall 2009. Greene Street was invited. They refused to attend. Many nights instead of bugging the police I texted the manager of that club asking them to turn it down just a little at 12:30, 1:30 in the morning (Sunday night/Monday morning) . Except for a few occassions It was either ignored or the volume was even occasionally increased.
By the way NO one has ever wanted to close any bar that I know of. And the indoors would not be affected at all – no one hears what goes on the inside. It would simply have them turn it down a little. Raleigh & Charlotte just did the same thing for the same reasons. Their downtowns are thriving.

From an Editorial in today’s N&R:

As it turns out, developer Roy Carroll has made his share of noise among city officials in his quest for quieter nights in downtown Greensboro.

Carroll, the millionaire owner and resident of the Center Pointe condominium tower, has complained vigorously and often about the disturbance created by DJs and amplified rooftop music at the nearby Greene Street Club.

But has he gone too far?

In one email on Nov. 28 to Assistant City Manager Mike Speedling, Carroll seems to bark a direct order: “I would like for officers to be stationed in front of the club and monitor the noise for the next few Sunday nights. If the police department does not have noise monitors, I will be glad to donate monitors to the department so they can enforce the ordinance.”

Uh, no, he has not gone too far. I think we have a pretty good idea what’s going on here. It’s been my experience that club owners and those patronizing them are not high quality people. They generally disdain the rules of common courtesy which are necessary to get along in a civilized society. They habitually drive drunk and wake their neighbors when they come home. This is a facet of our society which we tolerate despite the fact they engage in selfish pursuits and represent a real, present and persistent danger to the community.

The Wife and I spent our twenties in such places, but eventually matured beyond the desire for such activity. While this adolescent behavior is legal, it should be tolerated. However, once the perpetrators begin to be bad neighbors, tax-paying citizens who get up early and spend their days trying to be a credit to the community have a right to insist the laws be upheld, and changed where they are found to be insufficient.

Greene Street Club is the problem. Attempts to blame the other clubs downtown and accusations that residents and business owners are exhibiting undue influence do not accurately address the reality of the situation.

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11 Comments leave one →
  1. mergatroyd permalink
    March 31, 2012 1:36 pm

    “It’s been my experience that club owners and those patronizing them are not high quality people. They generally disdain the rules of common courtesy which are necessary to get along in a civilized society. They habitually drive drunk and wake their neighbors when they come home. This is a facet of our society which we tolerate despite the fact they engage in selfish pursuits and represent a real, present and persistent danger to the community.”
    We agree on this. If these people vote, would it be conservative or liberal?

  2. RBM permalink
    April 1, 2012 11:14 am

    Did you catch the ‘for the record’ comment at EC’s regarding GS’s attendance record ?

  3. April 1, 2012 11:20 am

    I’m assuming you’re referring to Simonne’s comment indicating their lack of attendance.

  4. RBM permalink
    April 1, 2012 5:18 pm

    No, Robbie’s comment, claiming attendance.

    • April 1, 2012 8:18 pm

      I believe the Robbie in question was Efird, the owner and Simonne’s comment disputes his claim.

      • Stephen permalink
        April 2, 2012 8:24 am

        From Simonne at Word Up,

        “I would also like to note that I have attended every meeting that I knew of, and that the club owners were also present and concerned and actively trying to find a solution. None of the main complainants were present that I am aware of. I also heard from the police department and club owners that at least twice the police had a complaint called in from Center Pointe about Greene Street on nights they were not even opene of the main complainants were present that I am aware of. I also heard from the police department and club owners that at least twice the police had a complaint called in from Center Pointe about Greene Street on nights they were not even open”

        It reads to me that Simonne is saying all club owners have been present, and neither Carrol or Yon have been attending…

        From Simonne’s comments, it appears as though it isn’t the club owners who are unwilling to negotiate.

      • Stephen permalink
        April 2, 2012 8:25 am

        My piss poor ability to copy and paste has mucked up Simmone’s quote.

      • RBM permalink
        April 2, 2012 3:51 pm

        Oops, not the Robbie I thought that was on council.

        Guess I’d better withdraw further comments on your local matters as my online status isn’t privy to enough ‘common knowledge’ that locals have.

        Have Fun !!

  5. April 2, 2012 9:27 am

    I fixed the quote. And I agree that I misread it.

  6. April 2, 2012 5:08 pm

    I wouldn’t worry about it, RBM. My reading comprehension ain’t so good, either.

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